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19 November 2010, 5:34 PM
It has been customary at the end of an astrological debate, actually a quarrel (these days about Jaimini dashas) -- astrologers come away claiming victory. Starting with a Sanskrit shloka or sutra, a fatuous rhetorical war path, they end up abusing each other. I have seen it so often, astrologers using very offensive language and uttering arrant nonsense. They spout ill-informed academic poison. They cannot overcome their obsessions. Involved in such quarrels, you find yourself between a precipitous rock and a deep sea.
23 November 2010, 6:15 AM
Sometime in 1983 or 1984 a young Sikh working in a bank came to me with a proposal for becoming the editor of an astrological magazine which he would start, he said, if I became its editor. I declined the offer on many grounds: first I was in government service and would have to take official permission to accept it which I would not seek. read more...
9 February 2008, 11:21 AM
For the westerner who for centuries witnessed illiberal religion which claimed to
be the best in the world and therefore, sought to convert its colonies into Christian colonies, there exists now, in the changed world an unbridgeable gulf between religion and science. It is also called a conflict between faith and reason, in which battle you find the champions of science using strong sharp tongue aggressively which does not help as it shows now two types of intolerance--- the first by fundamentalist religions and then by scientists. The fundamentalist claims that his religion is superior to all other religions and the rest of the world should be converted to it. For the scientist religion is pure humbug and so is God. Together with there is the multi ethnic and multi cultural jamboree almost everywhere in the world to show how there are too many irreconciable ends. This shows how complex and confused the world has become for a thinking, reading and thoughtful man whose faith in God and religion will get shaken. In India we have had the advantage of great saints, not merely preachers as in most of the world.
It is why religion never dies in India but along with the danger of superstition thriving has always been strongest possibility and is so even today amidst us.
What you must always remember is that along with religion, superstitions always thrive and strike root in the human mind. Physical science does remove some of these superstitions and therefore no one can deny the great contribution of science. But to insist that physical science has established the veracity of everything in human life is the biggest superstition we harbour now.
The other big superstition which science promotes is that what is not physically provable cannot be scientific. It is on this ground that physical scientists oppose astrology most unscientifically, irrationally, like most contemptible idiots.
The occasion to say this a television debate in Sahara Samay of 3 February 2008 in which I was the chief participant with Prasun Bajpai the chief editor, anchoring it. Other astrologers, a tarrot card reader, a numerologist participated in it for some minutes along with a wooden headed scientist who as usual uttered some nonsense. I answered him with logic and of course rudely, in a language which the scientists understand better now in television debates.
Remember jyotisha is an integral part of eternal India’s living and vibrant heritage.
Range of a prediction
Prasun asked me what could be the range of an astrological prediction. It can be a very long range one etc. is what I said and quoted the spectacular example of Sir Woodrow Wyatt, who had come to India with Sir Stafford Cripps in 1945 and had taken predictions from K.P.Sharma the court astrologer of the state of Bikaner state. In 1988, he revealed it in an article in the editorial page of Times, London while defending Ronald Reagan the US president who or whose wife consulted a woman astrologer.
Wyatt was referring to the forty four year old prediction and praising Hindu astrology.
Record of feedback
It will be good if astrologers keep a record of honest feedback and reveal them from time to time to restore people’s credibility in astrology which the Moon sign predictors or Sun sign predictors including the tarrot card readers have destroyed. The topic under discussion was these daily predictions in the news channels and newspapers which Sahara Samay does not give now, for four months , after Prasun joined it as chief editor.
Longest ever TV debate
It was the longest ever discussion on astrology from 9 to 11 pm but was extended by half an hour in view of the tremendous response from viewers, as Prasun said, after receiving as many 10,000 SMS in which finally 74 percent people said that they did not believe in these daily predictions while 26 percent seemed to say it became believable sometimes.
The stupid scientist
The stupid scientist provoked me and I hit back telling him that the scientists criticising astrology lost their first battle in Madras High Court, the second in Andhra High Court and the last and final in the Supreme Court in which I as the only astrologer argued. The lawyers from the government side were helpless as they did not know astrology. I demolished all the arguments advanced by lawyers based on hundreds of articles written by these stupid scientists used by the leftists dominated English media of India and also vociferously quoted by television channels.
I asked the stupid scientist why after suffering a hattrick of defeats in courts of law, were scientists anxious to utter nonsense in these television debates?
An Example
Anyway, I am giving here an example of what I mean by evidences of the validity of astrology. Astrologers should collect these and fight intellectual battles in future as there will be no legal battle now, the Supreme Court having settled the matter in favour of astrologers. To emphasize the methodology, invariably use varga charts and show the science of astrology. Here see three charts and draw your own conclusions.
Letters
Dear Shri Rao,
20 Feb. 1998
The other day I saw you on Sony T.V. advocating Astrology to be a Science. Your address, too has been obtained accidentally courtesy “Hinduism Today” published from Hawai.
I recall my meeting you along with my son Dr.Aloke Gupta in 1985. He was just out of I.I.T./Delhi and he had taken G.R.E. exams for admission to Universities in U.S.A., for further studies.You had studied his horoscope. You had predicted that he would clear GRE. My son was also suffering from acute back pain for a number of years to come and that he will marry a foreign national and settle down there. All of your predictions, though unpalatable at that time, have been true.
I write this to express my faith and confidence in you. In fact my case is one of having come to mock and now having remained to pray. With kind regards.
Yours sincerely,
sd/-
Amritlal
D-151 Anand Vihar
Delhi -110092, Tel: 215-2025
Aloke
22Oct 1963 2:44 am. Delhi
See the 7th lord aspecting the 12th house. The 4th lord in the 12th. The 10th lord also in the 12th.
1. From August 26, 1985 it was the dasha of Venus-Moon. As the 10th lord Venus shows distinction and Moon as the 12th lord foreign travel.
2. The 7th lord in the birth horoscope aspects the 12th house which is repeated in the navamsha.
3. Venus has the ownership and the Sun is in the 12th house in Chaturthamsha showing foreign residence in their mahadashas.
( 6 February 2008)
be the best in the world and therefore, sought to convert its colonies into Christian colonies, there exists now, in the changed world an unbridgeable gulf between religion and science. It is also called a conflict between faith and reason, in which battle you find the champions of science using strong sharp tongue aggressively which does not help as it shows now two types of intolerance--- the first by fundamentalist religions and then by scientists. The fundamentalist claims that his religion is superior to all other religions and the rest of the world should be converted to it. For the scientist religion is pure humbug and so is God. Together with there is the multi ethnic and multi cultural jamboree almost everywhere in the world to show how there are too many irreconciable ends. This shows how complex and confused the world has become for a thinking, reading and thoughtful man whose faith in God and religion will get shaken. In India we have had the advantage of great saints, not merely preachers as in most of the world.
It is why religion never dies in India but along with the danger of superstition thriving has always been strongest possibility and is so even today amidst us.
What you must always remember is that along with religion, superstitions always thrive and strike root in the human mind. Physical science does remove some of these superstitions and therefore no one can deny the great contribution of science. But to insist that physical science has established the veracity of everything in human life is the biggest superstition we harbour now.
The other big superstition which science promotes is that what is not physically provable cannot be scientific. It is on this ground that physical scientists oppose astrology most unscientifically, irrationally, like most contemptible idiots.
The occasion to say this a television debate in Sahara Samay of 3 February 2008 in which I was the chief participant with Prasun Bajpai the chief editor, anchoring it. Other astrologers, a tarrot card reader, a numerologist participated in it for some minutes along with a wooden headed scientist who as usual uttered some nonsense. I answered him with logic and of course rudely, in a language which the scientists understand better now in television debates.
Remember jyotisha is an integral part of eternal India’s living and vibrant heritage.
Range of a prediction
Prasun asked me what could be the range of an astrological prediction. It can be a very long range one etc. is what I said and quoted the spectacular example of Sir Woodrow Wyatt, who had come to India with Sir Stafford Cripps in 1945 and had taken predictions from K.P.Sharma the court astrologer of the state of Bikaner state. In 1988, he revealed it in an article in the editorial page of Times, London while defending Ronald Reagan the US president who or whose wife consulted a woman astrologer.
Wyatt was referring to the forty four year old prediction and praising Hindu astrology.
Record of feedback
It will be good if astrologers keep a record of honest feedback and reveal them from time to time to restore people’s credibility in astrology which the Moon sign predictors or Sun sign predictors including the tarrot card readers have destroyed. The topic under discussion was these daily predictions in the news channels and newspapers which Sahara Samay does not give now, for four months , after Prasun joined it as chief editor.
Longest ever TV debate
It was the longest ever discussion on astrology from 9 to 11 pm but was extended by half an hour in view of the tremendous response from viewers, as Prasun said, after receiving as many 10,000 SMS in which finally 74 percent people said that they did not believe in these daily predictions while 26 percent seemed to say it became believable sometimes.
The stupid scientist
The stupid scientist provoked me and I hit back telling him that the scientists criticising astrology lost their first battle in Madras High Court, the second in Andhra High Court and the last and final in the Supreme Court in which I as the only astrologer argued. The lawyers from the government side were helpless as they did not know astrology. I demolished all the arguments advanced by lawyers based on hundreds of articles written by these stupid scientists used by the leftists dominated English media of India and also vociferously quoted by television channels.
I asked the stupid scientist why after suffering a hattrick of defeats in courts of law, were scientists anxious to utter nonsense in these television debates?
An Example
Anyway, I am giving here an example of what I mean by evidences of the validity of astrology. Astrologers should collect these and fight intellectual battles in future as there will be no legal battle now, the Supreme Court having settled the matter in favour of astrologers. To emphasize the methodology, invariably use varga charts and show the science of astrology. Here see three charts and draw your own conclusions.
Letters
Dear Shri Rao,
20 Feb. 1998
The other day I saw you on Sony T.V. advocating Astrology to be a Science. Your address, too has been obtained accidentally courtesy “Hinduism Today” published from Hawai.
I recall my meeting you along with my son Dr.Aloke Gupta in 1985. He was just out of I.I.T./Delhi and he had taken G.R.E. exams for admission to Universities in U.S.A., for further studies.You had studied his horoscope. You had predicted that he would clear GRE. My son was also suffering from acute back pain for a number of years to come and that he will marry a foreign national and settle down there. All of your predictions, though unpalatable at that time, have been true.
I write this to express my faith and confidence in you. In fact my case is one of having come to mock and now having remained to pray. With kind regards.
Yours sincerely,
sd/-
Amritlal
D-151 Anand Vihar
Delhi -110092, Tel: 215-2025
Aloke
22Oct 1963 2:44 am. Delhi
See the 7th lord aspecting the 12th house. The 4th lord in the 12th. The 10th lord also in the 12th.
1. From August 26, 1985 it was the dasha of Venus-Moon. As the 10th lord Venus shows distinction and Moon as the 12th lord foreign travel.
2. The 7th lord in the birth horoscope aspects the 12th house which is repeated in the navamsha.
3. Venus has the ownership and the Sun is in the 12th house in Chaturthamsha showing foreign residence in their mahadashas.
( 6 February 2008)
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